tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post8000346048848823637..comments2024-03-18T03:36:29.926+05:30Comments on Controversies in History: Origin of Yavanas - Greek MythModa Sattvahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-42009066234521703072018-08-23T12:58:38.335+05:302018-08-23T12:58:38.335+05:30If you see the Many pronunciations are completely ...If you see the Many pronunciations are completely different from English. Alphabets of English is not equipped to handle such pronunciations, so many differently pronounced words are written with same spelling. That is one of the point.<br />How did these works survive, it has been passed down the generations both in India and Western World. So errors and misunderstandings creep in. <br />The Third where are the people present at the time of writing. That exposes that they do not refer to Greeks. So just don't looks for words and what they mean in that context.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-78689494019540079782018-08-19T04:33:25.733+05:302018-08-19T04:33:25.733+05:30lets see what words were and some still using for ...lets see what words were and some still using for the Greeks<br />Egyptians used the word j-w-n(-n)-’.<br />Assyrians used the word Iawanu.<br /> Persians used the word Yauna.<br />Babylonians used the word Yaman and Yamanaya.<br />In modern Turkish, Persian, and Arabic it is Yūnān, derived from the same Old Persian word for designating the Greeks, namely "Yauna" (literally 'Ionians', as they were the first of the Greeks the Persians had firstly the most extensive encounters with) so yavanas and yonas were not Greeks right?? these "controversies" of yours are for many lolzEΛ ΛΙΝhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13449528735401557856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-51035580396099919372017-06-30T02:25:13.423+05:302017-06-30T02:25:13.423+05:301st Greek Mythology speaks of every continent exce...1st Greek Mythology speaks of every continent except America(at least by this name). Especially for Europe, we have the Hypervoreans who are the Scandinavians(pressumably) from where God Apollo came during the spring. The we have Celts and Gauls who were sons of the Sons of Hercules. 2nd Ionians were sons of Apollo(or perhaps Ksouthos - the son of Hellinas, who was brother of Greek) and Creousa. There is nowhere in the Greek mythology a part that suggests a migration from. Instead in the whole mythology it is suggested indigenity(out of rocks or earth).<br /><br />3rd I did not see in this interesting article a commentary or reference to the Dhionysika. The epic of Dionysus Zagreas, that later became God. Son of Dionysus was Orfeas, who is suggested that he lived about 1000 bc. The problem with that is ofcourse that Dhionysiaka is an epic that suggests it happened during 4.000-3.000 bc. Defkalions cataclysm happened pressumambly in 9.500 to 9.000 bc, and the events of Greek Mythology are not far more recent than this cataclysm.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17279662064030728601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-82063871905392791992016-06-17T13:51:42.021+05:302016-06-17T13:51:42.021+05:30Something for sure, Yavana is a great terminology ...Something for sure, Yavana is a great terminology in Veda n Sanskrit.<br /><br />Why not trying to know from the word Yava + na ?<br />Yava is Yahwah/Yahweh/Yehova/Yahuwah.<br /><br />It's near to the word Brahmana but the same notion.<br /><br />Please consider Java (=Yava) in Indonesia.<br />Dig it and hopefully you're gonna get the clue.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194178920447356959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-19190274278584662142016-06-03T14:17:17.717+05:302016-06-03T14:17:17.717+05:30Greeks are the ones who mispronounced names for ex...Greeks are the ones who mispronounced names for example The emperor Chandragupta maurya(Maurya dynasty) the Indian king who defeated Alexander's successor Seleucus I Nicator was known as Sandrokottos and Androcottus in Greek and Latin.Larryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074170533843266291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-87207706185828698812014-09-23T11:06:01.314+05:302014-09-23T11:06:01.314+05:30What are the Greek Names. How are they mispronounc...What are the Greek Names. How are they mispronounced. Kindly Enlighten. As long as that they are Sanskrit names mispronounced by GreeksModa Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-6436230314764558792014-09-23T04:55:09.718+05:302014-09-23T04:55:09.718+05:30Devamantiya (Yona), Demitria (Greek) Yona/Yavana h...Devamantiya (Yona), Demitria (Greek) Yona/Yavana had Greek names that are only slightly mis-pronounced. Easy to spot if you actually speak Greek but if you depend on English version of Greek names then good luck, Greeks don't pronounce vowels the same way and they didn't write with Latin letters =PAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13901608821317604138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-7712722835453812013-08-03T07:11:44.236+05:302013-08-03T07:11:44.236+05:30Very interesting points of views ! Greeks where of...Very interesting points of views ! Greeks where of Indian decent , why not sounds good to me . But it puts different perspective in Greek history I know . Thank you for that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09125854252858440174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-54191909820640663582013-06-23T00:42:08.982+05:302013-06-23T00:42:08.982+05:30Go to Who are sangam cheras and their extend of te...Go to Who are sangam cheras and their extend of territories<br />http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2007/11/who-are-sangam-cheras.html<br />Sangam Cheras are in Tamil nadu not in keralaModa Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-85806079367013320172013-06-22T10:26:10.644+05:302013-06-22T10:26:10.644+05:30As per early tamil literature, Yavnas are people w...As per early tamil literature, Yavnas are people who came to Malabar coast for spice trade. They are mostly doing spice trade with Cheras and traveling back to Red sea via Arabian sea. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13355262553854761852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-18015350208502618762013-05-14T16:18:44.061+05:302013-05-14T16:18:44.061+05:30Well You seem to miss the woods. If there is no Ar...Well You seem to miss the woods. If there is no Aryan, then there is no Dravidian as well. All are same, called Indians Today. <br /><br />What is the proof!, what you are saying is true.<br /><br />You seem to have vivid imagination!Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-12561584620969418742013-04-28T19:14:03.956+05:302013-04-28T19:14:03.956+05:30The yavanas were indeed an Indian tribe from south...The yavanas were indeed an Indian tribe from south India, Kerela region. They were dark skinned n very skilled in navigation n astronomy. These guys migrated to crete long ago before 2000 BC, but kept cultural link ups with the native kerelian race called Thaiyyars, These people still have lots of stories to tell about there glorious past. The Modern greek race is the result of cross breeding of yavans of south India n the vedic tribes of Anu(Elina) which migrated out of India after loosing the Great battle of ten kings of Rig vedic fame. Recent genetic studies show that Greeks are indeed of Indian origin, But white christain man couldnt stand it n put it other way round, that Dravidians are of meditteranean origin, which is all Bul.<br /><br />I hope this solves all the confusion as to why greeks have dravidian origin but are fair n speak a vedic tounge at the same time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00305921900468879061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-14222693981246441442012-05-18T20:13:04.535+05:302012-05-18T20:13:04.535+05:30You mean Nonnus the fifth century AD Greek work, w...You mean Nonnus the fifth century AD Greek work, which talks about Dionysus conquests. you did not get anything later to support claim.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-10045194537759002202012-05-17T22:34:02.717+05:302012-05-17T22:34:02.717+05:30The Indian wars are described in "Nonnus"...The Indian wars are described in "Nonnus" there are the facts in Greek mythology! To try to prove that Yavanas where not Greeks, is to go a bit to far! is that ignorance or what! Dos Dionysus name ring any bell?Fidiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10478021460523291238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-62137244001712174012011-06-23T10:10:30.238+05:302011-06-23T10:10:30.238+05:30In that case the Origin of Buddha Image article mi...In that case the Origin of Buddha Image article might be interesting to youModa Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-80822886923300976182011-06-23T00:54:56.210+05:302011-06-23T00:54:56.210+05:30Euro-centric, Indo-centric, Sino-centric, Islamo-c...Euro-centric, Indo-centric, Sino-centric, Islamo-centric etc. are all partial points of view.<br /><br />Personally I am interested in any links between Buddhism and Hellenic culture in what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan. That some Greeks and Hellenised peoples in this region might have embraced Buddhism is interesting. I am not personally interested in asserting the superiority of European culture over any other, but I am interested in reassembling what happened in that place before the Arab invasions put an end to it. Greek culture is one of several ingredients in the mix.Menandroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06915695319924032721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-57973418579887598042011-06-22T23:11:10.944+05:302011-06-22T23:11:10.944+05:30Neither one wrong is right!
Pride of Euro centric...Neither one wrong is right!<br /><br />Pride of Euro centric views is right then? Excessive Euro centric views are not bad? Especially as it blinds all the other points of view, even if it true?<br /><br />Whatever not agreeable to your point of view is bad right?<br /><br />I am Waiting for your facts still. State your facts before criticizing others.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-16070653871767944402011-06-22T21:17:10.410+05:302011-06-22T21:17:10.410+05:30Two wrongs don't make a right, pride in one...Two wrongs don't make a right, pride in one's cultural heritage is one thing but excessive nationalism is a decidedly bad thing, particularly if it blinds one to a critical assessment of the facts.<br /><br />Black Athena is a good example of bad methodology based on blind ideological convictions.Menandroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06915695319924032721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-75615700333471400942011-06-21T22:20:28.888+05:302011-06-21T22:20:28.888+05:30So Nationalistic India centric bias is bad , but W...So Nationalistic India centric bias is bad , but White Racial Euro centric views are good. Is that what you mean?<br /><br />Your "As a matter of fact the Ionians migrated from mainland Greece to the coast of Asia Minor around about 1000-800 BCE, Ionian Greek is particularly close to the Attic Greek of Athens" <br />your matter of fact is just a theory, No way you can prove that.<br /><br />Check the Alexander Invasion Article. Alexander got defeated. <br /><br />Coming back to main subject, Name "Yavana" has been found throughout the history of India, Even when concept of Ionian has not been developed in Greece. So Yavanas are not Greeks or specifically Ionians. <br /><br />Ask yourself how much of Greek culture is Indian Culture too. if people come to a particular place. They also get influenced.<br /><br />For a good Perspective go through Black Athena article. Then Comeback.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-78688543586284967772011-06-20T17:25:43.274+05:302011-06-20T17:25:43.274+05:30It seems that much of this is rather subjective an...It seems that much of this is rather subjective and coming from a narrow nationalistic India-centric bias rather than from an objectively critical assessment of the evidence.<br /><br />As a matter of fact the Ionians migrated from mainland Greece to the coast of Asia Minor around about 1000-800 BCE, Ionian Greek is particularly close to the Attic Greek of Athens.<br /><br />What is quite clear is that following the Alexander the Great's conquest, Greeks, Macedonians and no doubt other Greek speaking Hellenised (but ethnically non-Greek)peoples became settled in parts of what is now Afghanistan and Pakistan and added to the rich cultural mix and contributed either directly or indirectly to the thriving Buddhist culture that developed there. By the time of Kanishka I, Indo Greek art - Gandharan was under way, although it is not certain how much of the Geek element came from local culture and how much from the Greek east of the Roman empire.Menandroshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06915695319924032721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-88204263485564339172011-06-07T18:19:23.403+05:302011-06-07T18:19:23.403+05:30Yavanas are Indigenous to India. No questions abou...Yavanas are Indigenous to India. No questions about this.<br /><br />The Neighbors of Ionian in Greece across the sea are Hittites(Indians who migrated after Saraswathi dried up). The Ionian and Greek literature speak more about Africa, Middle east and some extend India rather than Europe. Ionian and entire Greek can be another Indian race which went before Hittites. So where are Ionian from? India? Big Question. But rather a wishful thinking.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-25269153609765304912011-06-07T18:13:06.959+05:302011-06-07T18:13:06.959+05:30Have you heard the theory Indian race is the mothe...Have you heard the theory Indian race is the mother of All races in the world except Africa(Excluding Ethiopia).<br /><br />Means all the races in the world (excluding Africa) and Ethiopia have Indian Genes. The theory is called out of India theory.Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-11430475677945494462011-06-07T16:43:15.338+05:302011-06-07T16:43:15.338+05:30What about the possibility that Yavanas were indee...What about the possibility that Yavanas were indeed indigenous to India and a branch of them migrated to Ionia / Greece from south western India by sea / land as part of trade?Jijithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11863600917277312849noreply@blogger.com