tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post6584559387892235534..comments2024-03-18T03:36:29.926+05:30Comments on Controversies in History: origin of Chatrapati ShivajiModa Sattvahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-5766232301260170762020-08-25T09:31:51.289+05:302020-08-25T09:31:51.289+05:30Respected readers surname bhosale derived fro...Respected readers surname bhosale derived from the kannad word bh sali I.e bhu means land and sali means owner I.e land lord or may say zamindar you can check above meaning in kannad language dictionary also in karnataka you can find bhusali surname also Kadambande yancha kaifiyathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126563610185363756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-15939268252044617122020-07-02T16:59:18.673+05:302020-07-02T16:59:18.673+05:30Shiva ji belong Yadav FamilyShiva ji belong Yadav FamilyAbhimanyu Yadavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14825097591371046365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-3246324514374300582018-08-11T09:50:52.376+05:302018-08-11T09:50:52.376+05:30If Shivaji was a Rajput, why he was refused by bra...If Shivaji was a Rajput, why he was refused by brahmins to do his rajyabhisek. Where we're Shishidiyas and Rajputs thenAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09911868444203473815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-25324423103447906572016-09-22T11:12:06.902+05:302016-09-22T11:12:06.902+05:30Mr.Kunal just for your kind information, Raje Shiv...Mr.Kunal just for your kind information, Raje Shivaji was not eldest son of Shajiraje & Jijamata. Sambhaji raje was elder son of them, after Sambhaji raje two son's got died after very short interval from their birth, reason may be anything like illness or favour. After that the fourth son of Shajiraje & Jijamata was King Shivaji..<br />And there is not historical strong proof available which can prove King Shivaji's origin belongs to Shisodia Rajput clan or community. It was just sophistry created by some loyal priests of raje during coronation of King Shivaji that his origin belongs to Rajput community, to avoid oppositions logic & the populace was under strong influence of religious superstitions & beliefs. <br /> On the other hand there are so many proofs occurred which indicates that origin of King Shivaji belongs to Ahir or Yadav. Now a days Maratha community belongs to all 5 main casts of Tkshatriyas. Majority of Maratha community belongs to Yadav, Jaat & Gujjars. Rajputs are very fewAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195289573331811574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-48072557459122405902016-09-02T15:28:02.186+05:302016-09-02T15:28:02.186+05:30From: "PratapTambay"
Date: 24 Feb 2006 ...From: "PratapTambay" <br />Date: 24 Feb 2006 02:10:37 -0800<br />HARI NARKE: REWRITING HISTORY NECESSARY<br /><br />Delivering a key note address on occasion of Shiva-Jayanti at Mumbai in<br />a<br />well attended meeting ('Samrat' 23.2.2006), Hari Narke averred that<br />Brahmins wrote false history to suit them. Mahatma Phule discovered the<br />'samadhi' of Ch. Shivaji Maharaj, and celebrated Shiva-Jayanti in 1869<br />in<br />Pune for the first time, but it is claimed that, Bal Gangadhar Tilak,<br />who<br />was born in 1856, started the jayanti. Phule repaired the samadhi and a<br />wrote his first book.-- a ballad (powada) on Shivaji, which is noted in<br />British records.<br /><br />If Shivaji was 'protector of cows and Brahmins', as claimed, he would<br />not<br />have slaughtered Krishnaji Bhaskar Kulkarni during Afzalkhan's killing.<br />He<br />would not have admonished and threatened with death a Brahmin Subhedar<br />of<br />Prabhavati for disloyalty. Bahujans created history but Brahmins wrote<br />a<br />false history, so rewriting is a must, he said.<br /><br />Another speaker, Premratna Chaukekar, said that 'Rajguru' of Shivaji<br />was<br />his mother -- Queen mother -- Jeejau, who trained him in war craft and<br />administration. She was born (in a Jadhav family) in town of Sindkhed<br />Raja,<br />where there are 22 houses of Jadhavs, who are all ex-Mahars. Similarly,<br />samadhi (tomb) of Jeejau is at town of Pachad, situated at the foot of<br />Raigad (Hill fort Capital of Shivaji) in a locality of Mahars<br />(Mahar-wada). Therefore, it is proved that Shivaji was a Mahar, he<br />said.<br />Similarly, the aakhadas (gyms) training in the art of warfare were of<br />Mahar<br />- Mangs, giving training since early childhood. (Mahars and Mangs are<br />two<br />important untouchable castes of Maharashtra)<br /><br />If the contention of Mr. Chaukekar is accepted, it will open a new<br />avenue<br />for research in Maratha history. In this respect following points are<br />worth considering.<br /><br />(1) Dr. Ambedkar had averred that Marathas and Dalits have common<br />surnames<br />among them and have common origin.<br /><br />(2) It is well known that most of the forts repaired by Shivaji existed<br />before him and were built by indigenous people, the Adivasis.<br /><br />(3) It is proved that Rajput origin of Shivaji was fabricated and<br />suggestion has been made about his Kannada origin from Shepherd class.<br /><br />(4) It is well known that other Maratha chiefs did not consider Shivaji<br />of<br />equal status socially in caste hierarchy and these chiefs declined to<br />dine<br />with him sitting in the same row.<br /><br />(5) There were hardly any upper caste supporters in initial stages of<br />Shivaji's conquests, which were conducted by Mavale, who belonged to<br />all<br />lower castes.<br /><br />Thanks!<br />Dr. K. Jamanadas<br />Feb. 24, 2006<br /><br />.<br /><br />Follow-Ups:<br />Re: HARI NARKE: REWRITING HISTORY NECESSARY<br />From: ranjit_mathews@xxxxxxxxx<br />Re: HARI NARKE: REWRITING HISTORY NECESSARY<br />From: fanabba<br />Prev by Date: Challenging Opportunities for Software Engineers and Developers<br />Next by Date: Great new cricket site<br />Previous by thread: Challenging Opportunities for Software Engineers and Developers<br />Next by thread: Re: HARI NARKE: REWRITING HISTORY NECESSARY<br />Index(es):<br />Date<br />Thread<br />Flag as inappropriate<br />(AWS)<br />derkeiler.comUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03903693110687947830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-86022796976806217492016-08-25T22:53:30.297+05:302016-08-25T22:53:30.297+05:30Shivaji is yadav not a rajput bro Shivaji is yadav not a rajput bro Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14834645591567962174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-65511837147155508532015-12-17T14:56:07.939+05:302015-12-17T14:56:07.939+05:30yes ..u r ryt..but can u let me know..shivaji cast...yes ..u r ryt..but can u let me know..shivaji caste..i thin he is kunbi khastriyaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02152087432189602744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-12480685331107607742015-10-24T01:11:28.682+05:302015-10-24T01:11:28.682+05:30Dear Sattva,
Please visit kolhapur museum and u&...Dear Sattva, <br /><br />Please visit kolhapur museum and u'll get Shivaji Maharaj's ancestors Chart. i think that 'll be big evidence for you.... Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16941899504374976767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-36115055353181664462015-07-04T16:01:55.507+05:302015-07-04T16:01:55.507+05:30Rajput regiment, Rajput rifles , Gadwal regiment, ...Rajput regiment, Rajput rifles , Gadwal regiment, dogra regiment etc r examples of rajputs Sacrifices read history first.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17297609446387245997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-48427353457534119642015-03-27T15:22:31.444+05:302015-03-27T15:22:31.444+05:30are yaar tm jo koi bhi ho Veer Shivaji Raaje was t...are yaar tm jo koi bhi ho Veer Shivaji Raaje was the Bhonsle means last name was the Bhonsle nd this Last name founds in only Gurjar Cast now many bhonsle brothers are writing Baisle nd Bansal also because my Mother is also Bhosle there are 360 Last Names in Gurjar Cast Like No. 1. Bhosle{Baisle} King Shivaji<br />2. Naagar{Naangdi} King Nain Singh Naangdi<br />3. Bhati<br />4. Chaprana<br />5. Chandile {mostly u can see in Delhi}<br />6. Bidhuri {also can be see in delhi u know 250 Crore Merriage...???}<br />etc etc nd this matter also have proved in Pakistan's High Court that Veer Shivaji Raaje Bhosle was the Bainsla Gurjar<br />Gurjars have already King of india from 5 to 13th Century...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03621270749890718056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-78971837037503203102014-09-20T17:43:31.342+05:302014-09-20T17:43:31.342+05:30Parab read the fact in the panchavishma brahmana p...Parab read the fact in the panchavishma brahmana period kings or kshatriya people are placed first and second were Brahmins and this order was there for long time Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516166983753278664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-40468514341713470262014-09-20T17:37:47.776+05:302014-09-20T17:37:47.776+05:30I think parab is not maratha, that's why he do...I think parab is not maratha, that's why he doesn't know history, why would brahmin refuse to do rajyabhishek of King.. And at that time kings word was final, and not even a brahmins had power to refuse words of kings, get ur facts right Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516166983753278664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-55916170554152007152014-07-25T16:15:53.836+05:302014-07-25T16:15:53.836+05:30MR Kunalsing..
I really appreciate that you are i...MR Kunalsing..<br /><br />I really appreciate that you are interesting in maratha History in details...<br /><br />Blogger Should add more information about Rajmata Jijau...<br /><br />Also The great Worrior Son of shivaji maharaj Chhatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj in Details...Hrishikesh Bibralehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03906816354541612135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-59288973136352459602014-06-18T16:33:08.251+05:302014-06-18T16:33:08.251+05:30Suyog parab pls read history completely and confir...Suyog parab pls read history completely and confirme all the thing mentioned in any book when gaga bhatt came to know about shivaji maharaj they are happy with one hindu king has established the kingdom against the muslim rule..and shivaji maharaj donated that reward to gaga bhatt..some people and organization of Maharashtra spreading false information.. To gain political profit...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01072301214362227303noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-30457583257852292832013-11-09T20:12:29.220+05:302013-11-09T20:12:29.220+05:30Now you have said , we should start believing you....Now you have said , we should start believing you. Common what is the evidence?Moda Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-52121068204667190672013-11-09T17:49:30.640+05:302013-11-09T17:49:30.640+05:30Truth-
1)Shivaray is not from rajput origin.
2)...Truth-<br />1)Shivaray is not from rajput origin.<br />2)''Shivaray is from rajput origin'' was lie spreaded by the ministers of shivaray since they doent belong to upper caste family and not even a single Brahmin of Maharashtra was ready to do the Rajyabhishek vidhi of shivray.<br />3)So ministers somehow managed and spread the lie that family of shivaray belongs to rajput origin.<br />4)But bramhins of Maharashtra were aware of this fact so ,THE GAGA Bhatt ie Brahmin from UP was invited.<br />5)even after knowing the truth GAGA bhatt rejected the proposal bt then lots of money and gifts are given to himsuyog parabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11565861650836066962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-66974500897355112142013-06-30T17:09:16.665+05:302013-06-30T17:09:16.665+05:30Shivaji Maharaj was great man. He is an example of...Shivaji Maharaj was great man. He is an example of bravery for us. He was real hero of India we never forget The great Mahatta King Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj Your Article is very nice with complete guide Thanks please keep share useful knowledge with us..Thanks Regarding <a href="http://www.fortemple-rajasthan-tourindia.com/" rel="nofollow"><br />Rajasthan Tourism </a><a href="http://www.mahicracks.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"><br />India</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-11435478653579098402013-06-01T03:49:06.593+05:302013-06-01T03:49:06.593+05:30http://horsesandswords.blogspot.ca/2012/01/shivaji...http://horsesandswords.blogspot.ca/2012/01/shivajis-rajput-ancestry.html SMD proof Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16306760931999767677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-28260891157164923632013-05-30T10:51:42.233+05:302013-05-30T10:51:42.233+05:30Sure Kunal,
first visit this site..make sure that...Sure Kunal, <br />first visit this site..make sure that u also visit second that i have mention below<br /><br />1))http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha#Maratha_clans<br /><br />2))visit these site ..and you will no who are marathas...<br /><br />http://the-royal-maratha-warriors.blogspot.in/kalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03429889131966950858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-39512766938431325352013-05-30T10:32:05.004+05:302013-05-30T10:32:05.004+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.kalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03429889131966950858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-16922809706287857372013-05-27T00:24:06.248+05:302013-05-27T00:24:06.248+05:30if shivaji bhonsle were rajput..then they could ...if shivaji bhonsle were rajput..then they could tell that they are rajput..listen they are marathas ,mata jijau were from maratha family..rajputs have not done any thing for the country, like raja jay singh was the servent of aurangazeb..and he was a rajput...maratha who faught against moughels for entire life...and ..<br />rajputs rule only in there area like rajastan..but maratha rule more than half of india...kalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03429889131966950858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-54547374438893790792011-11-06T20:08:36.100+05:302011-11-06T20:08:36.100+05:30some people on this site are trying to say that sh...some people on this site are trying to say that shivaji was telling lie that they were decendent of rajputs what this mean? are they are trying to say that shivaji was ashamed of his origin and trying to hide his origin this is totally bullshit which is told by so called indian historians the elite castes in india like maratha and rajputs were maintain their records related to their histories themselves and if they are saying that they have rajput origin then are right they do not need certificates from cheap sites and books of such cheap historians specified above.vikramaditya singh pawarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09341601838547461597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-76529232970821923312011-03-23T10:00:48.325+05:302011-03-23T10:00:48.325+05:30Sure Kunal,
Go back to where Rajputs came from an...Sure Kunal, <br />Go back to where Rajputs came from and come back again.<br /><br />Follow Link<br />http://controversialhistory.blogspot.com/2008/11/myths-of-rajput-origin.htmlModa Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-69335807771833221482011-03-23T00:48:16.611+05:302011-03-23T00:48:16.611+05:30Please go back to history and research on Maratha ...Please go back to history and research on Maratha Word itself .. Maratha is an established empire and warrior cast by Shri Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj. Before establishment of empire, the decaan (dakhkhan) now called as maharashtra was been looted by the so called vatandaar's , sardar's who were serving Nizamshaahi, Kutubshaahi and Mughal's. Shri Chatrapati Shivaji Shahaji Bhosale eldest son of Shri Shahaji Maloji Bhosale. Go back to the history of Bhosale gharana , where it came from and their relation with Sisodia a Rajput Clan.kunalsinghhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16308242576482619599noreply@blogger.com