tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post4905466119165745772..comments2024-03-18T03:36:29.926+05:30Comments on Controversies in History: Myth of Alexander Victory in IndiaModa Sattvahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-58410770918719432462015-07-22T12:08:00.286+05:302015-07-22T12:08:00.286+05:30"I say.. if so many elephants were running wi..."I say.. if so many elephants were running wildly, why only the Porus' army (Indians who especially know how to deal with elephants) got crushed under when Alexander's army enjoyed the show standing in the same field ???"<br /><br />Why not? Don't elephants go crazy? Or are you trying to point out that this is a lie written by Greeks?<br /><br />"Any person who believes Alexander defeated Pours and magnanimously spared his life and gave him additional territories is either illogical or dishonest, I suspect the latter."<br /><br />Really? To be quite honest, even in the 21st century political world, respectable political foes give themselves much respect that what they give to their party men. IF this is how you are trying to debunk the fact that Porus got defeated then I say, sadly you failed.<br /><br />"The westerners have failed to take into account that unarmed Indians (the satyagrahis of Mathma Gandhi) could result in down fall of the so called traders empire , imagine what would have happened when they bore arms against them -- Indian steel (Wootz steel = Ukku steel) was so superior that Europeans have not yet been able to make or replicate it or some thing like it"<br /><br />Modern day Indians are so stupid that they fail to take into account that ours is still one of the poorest countries. Even China has a 10 times more GDP per capita to add to your information. So much so for crappy Indian chauvinism.shivendrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00984586716922516558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-2491665655191864982015-06-12T20:52:25.634+05:302015-06-12T20:52:25.634+05:30Alexander lost to Porus, why else he beat hasty re...Alexander lost to Porus, why else he beat hasty retreat after the battle? <br />@Armenian: India was and is still superior to you Europeans. If you add all European nations still it will be smaller than India. India was and is, bigger than entire Europe. You people cannot live together and have divided into states smaller than many of India cities now. You dare call Indians "mud-dwellers"?Anti-Inquisitionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03088599331339315560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-75763235811367286252015-02-03T19:16:23.852+05:302015-02-03T19:16:23.852+05:30Even modern research claims Alexander was defeated...Even modern research claims Alexander was defeated please view this on YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm_n1LQjppEdaljibahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461833095609839080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-54125901119516229892015-02-03T19:08:29.780+05:302015-02-03T19:08:29.780+05:30The westerners have failed to take into account th...The westerners have failed to take into account that unarmed Indians (the satyagrahis of Mathma Gandhi) could result in down fall of the so called traders empire , imagine what would have happened when they bore arms against them -- Indian steel (Wootz steel = Ukku steel) was so superior that Europeans have not yet been able to make or replicate it or some thing like it daljibahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461833095609839080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-6075700158357807382015-02-03T18:58:22.351+05:302015-02-03T18:58:22.351+05:30Alexander never won it is discussed in detail in S...Alexander never won it is discussed in detail in Shah Nama by Firdausi and even if we grant him some respite then it can be called a Phyrric Victory (false victory) he may have won a skirmish (a small fight) but he lost the Battle and WAR<br />1.Alexander had to part with around 1000 talents (Few tons) of gold and other booty to Porus.<br />2.Territory east of Hydaspes / Jhelum were seceded (given =surrendered) by Alexander to Porus.<br />3.Alexander’s favorite horse Beaucephalas was killed in the ferocity of the battle.<br />4.Alexander himself was wounded and one of his bodyguard died in the melee another bodyguard was decorated on reaching Babylon.<br />5.Macedonian troops lost their morale due to ferocity of the Indian onslaught and mutinied aptly described by Conius one of the accompanying unbiased commentators who has never been quoted.<br />6.It is only incident in the world of military conflict where victorious forces have mutinied to fight against those called vanquished.<br />7.An incident of such magnitude fails to find merit of mention in Magasthanes book Indica. Magasthanes was Greek ambassador in Emperor Chandra Gupta court within a few years of the battle.<br />Please visit:http://www.bharatgaurav.co.in/2014/08/porus-won-alexandars-victory-pyrrhic.htmldaljibahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11461833095609839080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-8827613916812885572014-06-25T17:25:50.172+05:302014-06-25T17:25:50.172+05:30Don't you even question our ancient Hindu'...Don't you even question our ancient Hindu's intelligence.. we single handedly invented every math concept zero upto calculus...(just google Indian mathematics) it declined during Mughal slavery and then subsequent British slavery repercussions of (almost 1000 yrs) which are still evident today among us.We were the only country to have the technology of zinc extraction and the numerous surgical medical technology. So yes not being parochial at all just following where truth can conclude best.<br />BTW , your conclusion seems most logical. Love your blog!SHREYA https://www.blogger.com/profile/03931093136182095966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-85659712723730271422013-01-06T00:58:15.525+05:302013-01-06T00:58:15.525+05:30Any person who believes Alexander defeated Pours a...Any person who believes Alexander defeated Pours and magnanimously spared his life and gave him additional territories is either illogical or dishonest, I suspect the latter.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14419700665133021478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-39214467924331454362011-06-16T23:00:52.940+05:302011-06-16T23:00:52.940+05:30Good Article on Alexander Defeat in India
http://...Good Article on Alexander Defeat in India<br /><br />http://www.esamskriti.com/essay-chapters/Why-the-Greeks-never-came-back-to-India-1.aspxModa Sattvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16790418181426022089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-5842334796314736612011-04-24T03:34:59.604+05:302011-04-24T03:34:59.604+05:30People advocating Alexander's humble victory p...People advocating Alexander's humble victory present a logic that they tricked Porus' elephant to throw him off its back and then all the elephants were out of control and they crushed Porus' army under their feet. <br /><br />I say.. if so many elephants were running wildly, why only the Porus' army (Indians who especially know how to deal with elephants) got crushed under when Alexander's army enjoyed the show standing in the same field ???<br /><br />Strange ??Swapnil N.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14150306954466698524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-77966062000567175572009-07-13T20:29:09.795+05:302009-07-13T20:29:09.795+05:30Friends,
Points to note,
Indian Kings , never us...Friends, <br />Points to note, <br />Indian Kings , never used to kill the other King who had a war with.<br /><br />Your Europeans may be tall. But You are one who lost with the Chengiskhan. Didnot u.<br /><br />Most of the places Alexander did not fight and Win. <br />He made an image that his army was ruthless powerful( of course we may agree that could be true).<br />Most of defenders surrendered unconditionally.<br /><br />But the Indians Kingdom would not surrender and They never fight with who approaches with the friendly manner. <br /><br />Remember, if ChengisKhan decided to enter idus valley , he would have been burried there itself.<br /><br />That was an luck / good decision for even ChengisKhan. Alexander never could fight against with 100,000 elephants.Rameshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-13260022932889755512009-05-21T11:07:29.844+05:302009-05-21T11:07:29.844+05:30While we question the veracity of these accounts, ...<I>While we question the veracity of these accounts, we must not let our parochial chavunism blind us </I>Use your own advice, For all the comments you made , you have not provided a shred of evidence to prove that alexander won in India. Instead what you tell is crap.<br /><br />The only victory that Alexander got was against weak and crumbling persian empire , which would have fallen otherwise also.<br /><br />For all the conquest you are talking about Alexander is unknown in India. Indian Literature talk about Meander and Selucus ,but not Alexander.Moda Sattvanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-56681893394630991222009-05-20T22:27:53.721+05:302009-05-20T22:27:53.721+05:30It is easy to argue and dispute historical account...It is easy to argue and dispute historical accounts that, as the writer has pointed out, could be and probably were colored by varying agendas.<br /><br />The same can be seen by the repeated failures of the Romans to defeat the Parthians. They evenually just stopped trying and actually lost and regained provinces to and from the Parthians in an uneasy stalemate. Eventually the historians just ignored this obvious failure of the Romans, but we still refer to their conquest of the known world. Hardly.<br /><br />While we question the veracity of these accounts, we must not let our parochial chavunism blind us to weaknesses.<br />While the Indian subcontinent might have been rich, it was territory and glory that fueled Alexander. Not gold or riches. It was hegemony over the known world. <br /><br />Also, let us not forget that had he been able to use the disunity and rivalries of the extistant Indian states, his conquest surely would have been as easy as that of the British centuries later. <br />Whether Alexander's downfall was due to mutiny or defeat, the outcome was the same.<br /><br />You might find the theses presented in the books Guns, Germs and Steel, and also Plagues and People interesting as well as controvesial.Toryu Tsurugihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17366904548389259816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-66770896264051923492008-11-13T00:42:00.000+05:302008-11-13T00:42:00.000+05:30for your kind information armenian24 alexander nev...for your kind information armenian24 alexander never attacked the most important dynasties in india one of which was gangadhritit consisting of around 320000 men, 6000 elephants and around 3700 chariots. now as just 200 elephants and around250 chariots of alexander brought him close to death, what would have been his condition with such a large number, he'd have certainly been chased to macedonia. moreover if you talk about intelligence, indians were the first to invent the chariots with spikes which later passed to persians and brought deadly blows to enemies. so i think its time to reconsider the views.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-26727199317765533932008-04-23T10:37:00.000+05:302008-04-23T10:37:00.000+05:30No Brother You are wrong, about all your assumptio...No Brother You are wrong, about all your assumptions<BR/><BR/>1.He lost battle and surrendered with a wound to porus and he was forgiven and sent back to where he came from. His men came back and claimed they have won. People could not fathom forgiveness because that was not in their Vacubulary. Finishing off their victim is the norm.<BR/><BR/>2. If it is Mud hut indigenous people why invade india? India was the richest country until 19th century when primitive british looted.<BR/><BR/>3.If India is prmitive with no intelligence then what was europe , still monkeys roaming around. Europeons copied all the knowledge from egyptian civiliation, Physical strong- and alexander men pitted themselves against elephants and lost.<BR/><BR/>All the glory of Alexander victory is a lie, You have any concrete evidence of alexander victory, let me know, until you can bask on your misconceptionsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2559723930575740149.post-23058609422980974672008-04-23T03:15:00.000+05:302008-04-23T03:15:00.000+05:30Brother you only have half the story correct. Ale...Brother you only have half the story correct. Alexander never lost a battle. His men were tired and probably didn't see any point to continue slaughtering mud hut indeginous people. I really dont think it takes very much intelligence to figure out that Alexander realized what his men were saying. India today is not very far from the indegnous peoples that Alexander once conquered. Given that Europeans were far more intelligent and physically superior to that of the peasants and weaker tribes of India, it just didn't make much since to continue a campaign there! I think one has to be honest to themselves and understand how the world really is and then one will come to accepting history as it really is.Loui25https://www.blogger.com/profile/03586139222995200862noreply@blogger.com